Sunday, June 17, 2018

Sinauli Chariot? No...Bullock-cart!

Physical Evidence Of Chariots In Copper Bronze Age

Recently at Sinauli village of Baghpat district in Uttar Pradesh Archaeological Survey of India (ASI) has stumbled upon the remains of a chariot that dates back to “Bronze Age” (2000-1800 BC). In the excavation eight burial sites and several artifacts, including three coffins, antenna swords, daggers, combs, and ornaments, among others have also been unearthed. The three chariots found in burial pits indicate the possibility of “royal burials” while other findings confirm the population of a warrior class.

The attempt has been to prove that Indians knew the chariots in Bronz age. These chariot remains are of solid wheels. No existence of the horses is recorded in this region. The funeral in coffins is significant because it has not shown any affinity with Harappan civilization, though the beads, pottery, and other cultural material – were similar to those of the Harappan civilization as per the ASI team.

It has been conceived that these are elaborate royal burials and that the population might belong to the warrior class. Of course, these are assumptions. Some over-enthusiastic people have started to link this finding with the Vedic Aryans, and their being indigenous, the way Dr. Vasant Shinde recently tried to link Genetic information coming from some five-thousand-year-old three skeletons, excavated at Rakhigarhi, with the Vedic culture. First of all genetics do not tell anything on language and culture, still, an unscientific statement was made in euphoria in an attempt to stake a claim of Indus-Ghaggar culture.

As far Sanauli findings, the so-called chariot is very heavy with solid wheels, difficult for horses to even pull it. Vedic literature speaks of lightweight and spoked wheel chariots. The burial in coffins is not mentioned anywhere in Vedic literature. ASI has admitted that another cultural material is similar to the Harappan. This does mean that the coffin-burial with the cart-like vehicle was independent innovation and had nothing to do with other civilizations.

Other unearthed artifacts like antenna swords, daggers in big quantities possibly could indicate that the people who were buried belonged to the warrior class. It does not mean this class was of permanent nature, birth-based as Vedic literature classifies population in different but permanent classes (varnas). Ancient Indian tribes of Uttar Pradesh had their own independent practices, some tribes being warring and some not. The funeral practices also would be slightly or more different as has been noted in Harappan varied burial practices.

The chariot (if at all it has to be called chariot) remain does not find any similarity with the description of horse-driven chariots of the Vedic people. On coffins copper plated anthropomorphic figures – having horns and peepal-leafed crowns have been recorded. The peepal tree has been religiously revered by Indus-Ghaggar people and so the Hindus of the modern era. It only shows cultural continuity without any outside influence, not even Vedic.

Indians from ancient times were in contact with central Asia and the Middle East from 7000 years ago. The exchanges of some cultural and linguistic elements were obvious. From these two-thousand BC findings only indicate that Harappans did not move towards the east, but these parts also were flourishing independently though they had close cultural relations and trade with Indus-Ghaggar regions, though every region had their unique ways of the expressions through the material cultural artifacts were similar.

It will be a bold claim to relate these findings with Vedic Aryan civilization which was yet to emerge that too far afar in southern Afghanistan!


6 comments:

  1. A new paper by Andrew Garrett confirming the work of Gray and Atkinson

    https://www.amphilsoc.org/sites/default/files/2018-08/attachments/Garrett.pdf

    He concludes:

    "Because the Anatolian model had the virtue of being tied to a well-understood mechanism of language spread—the diffusion of agriculture—the emerging consensus for Indo-European means that models of global language spread must explain more clearly how pastoralists expand their territories."

    The high chronology fits better with the Indic tradition of the Vedas.

    "there is still the lingering "Steppe theorists" who masturbate to the notion of an origin north of the Caucasus (even worse, sometimes in Central Europe)"

    LOL. It is time for philology to move into the twenty first century. At least they will have more sophisticated techniques of masturbation :)) while thinking of the imaginary steppe super warriors enslaving or killing all the indigenous men and having their way with the women. And they call this science. The reconstructed PIE with an unknown number of laryngeal sounds is more suitable for DONKEYS. The eminent Sanskritist Professor Witzel of Harvard University refuses to give up though, even after chariots and swords have been recently found in Sinauli, new New Delhi.

    https://www.thebetterindia.com/144331/asi-finds-copper-bronze-age-chariots-tombs-up-village/

    Herr Witzel is calling them "ox driven carts" of no use even though they look exactly like contemporary Mesopotamian chariots driven by horses. Here, check this out.
    M. Witzel, ICABS, July 10, 2018

    http://www.icabs.ac.jp/wp/iibs_html/abstract_Witzel.pdf

    "no use: recently found burials at Sinauli, with 2 wheel-ox cart, 1800-2000
    BCE(?),"

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  2. I think your approach is right, in that it won't do to get carried away by these finds and come to premature conclusions. May I solicit your attention to an essay I have on the subject in my blog? Here is the link. I shall be grateful if you read, and commented.

    https://loneyeti.wordpress.com/2019/05/09/chariots-at-sanauli-their-impact-on-the-story-of-early-south-asia/

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  3. My only question , it has been established that Vedic people and ancient Hindus Cremated the bodies. Burying or making tombs or graves was not a part of Vedic culture. Then how can we be so sure that these burial sites do not belong to any foreign people migrated and settled here in sinauli ? Maybe from a body biting culture.

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    1. Wrong. Vedas mentions burials as well. Read more maybe?

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  4. Pathetically uninformed information written in this blog. It is a concrete fact that Mittani kings show similar names with new books of Rigveda and them invoking Vedic gods in their treaty is an evidence that they went out of India. They are dated to 1700 BC. This not only put the Rigveda Old books (6,3,7) prior to 200BC but also provide indepdent line of evidence that the PIE dialect of Mittani people migrated out of India hundreds of years before they established their kingdom.
    Then the Uralic languages in Northwest Europe showing only one way borrowing from Indo-iranian shows another independent line of evidence that Indo-iranians migrated to as far as NWEurope and settled there.
    No river name of Indus region is a non-sanskrit name as it is the case seen with migrants in Europe where you find all Non-IE names of rivers all across Europe indicating these people were migrants over there. Another evidence that Vedic people were indigenous to the Indus region.
    All we see from old books to new books of Rigveda is that the geography of the Vedic people moving westward with introduction of western rivers and regions as we move into the new books.

    As Niraj Rai said that some non-scholars are trying very hard to prove that Sianuli chariot is not a horse driven chariot where as consensus among scholars Indians & Non-indians is that it is a Horse driven chariot. He said he is shocked to see how some motivated non-scholars are trying to learn genetics so to misinterpret the data which they clearly have no understanding of.

    Even in this blog this misinformed individual is trying to say that he is smarter than Vasant Shinde. I can bet that based on the information written in this blog. his knowledge is a pee in comparison to the life work of Vasant Shinde.

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  5. The sheer terror alarms that ring in these people's heads prove that there is much hidden under the garb of propaganda.
    They 2006 investigation stopped (We all know why) but, even after unearthing these artifacts, the mainstream historians are trying to shun the possibility of the Vedic mentions of horses being true.
    Afghanistan? Aryans? Oh! That theory which has no scientific basis and has been proved wrong 1000 times? That, my friend, is a fictional theory in front of the evident truth that Sinauli's artifacts are shining light upon.

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